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Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes
      #2071238 - 12/20/03 06:02 AM

I'd been meaning to come write about this mod for a few days as it didn't seem anyone else had been downloading it. Within 24 hours it has suddenly gotten 10 poor ratings on the Summit from some troll (the author of this mod seems to have an enemy who poor-votes his mods on a mass scale), which has made me want to do so even more. So here we go:

In short:
This mod is fantastic.

In length:
It adds new travel options in the form of new Silt Striders to various locations, and passage to the Skaal Village. The new Silt Striders are in the middle of areas which were previously lengthy to walk to (Grazelands, Azura's Coast), and make getting about a little easier.

What makes it good:
These new travel options aren't just thrown there with no explanation. There is story and purpose behind why they are there. Also, each leads to an 'outpost' within each of those regions. These outposts are what truly make the mod in my opinion. New houses, new NPCs, new quests.

Quests:
I won't give away much here, but I will say that some of the NPCs and quests have an almost whimsical nature that makes them incredibly fun to play. Also, they are not your run-of-the-mill quests. These are the imaginative, different kind of quests akin to those found in mods such as the Hunter Mod, The Illuminated Order and Miles' other mod Beyond YsGramor. And to top it all off, most of them can be completed in more than one way, to suit your (or your character's!) tastes.
Oh I can mention the companion because it's in the mod description anyway. If you've ever wanted your own Dwemer Centurion as a companion, you can get one in this mod. A good companion based on Grumpy's ever-versatile companion scripts. And if you don't like companions, that's fine because you don't need to get him if you don't want to.

You might like this mod if you like:
Vivec Expansion 2.0 by Hoghead. The atmosphere and overall air of Sorefoot Enterprizes reminds me of the way Vivec Expansion improves on Vivec. Not setting out to change the world, but just to enrich it, with architecture, dialogue, NPCs and overall colour.

What makes it gold for me:
1. DIALOGUE. This, like any mod by Miles Acreus, has well and carefully written dialogue that fits perfectly with Morrowind. Few mods have achieved dialogue which is as pleasurable to read as in this and Beyond YsGramor. This mod also poses no problems for purists, even for fanatical purists like myself, as it all slots into Morrowind like it was meant to be there all along.

2, It is incredibly conflict free and CLEAN! I spend much time running numerous quest and other mods together and examining them for conflicts and bugs, and I must say this is amongst the cleanest.

3, Purist-ness: Nothing unbalancing, and the characters, dialogue and architecture fits right into the world of Morrowind. It also manages to be incredibly imaginative, so be prepared for something new and different and fun. Few mods manage to address all purist issues yet still come out imaginative and fun to play.

Overall:
I would highly recommend this mod to pretty much anyone. I especially recommend it to purists and cleanliness freaks who might not normally download mods like this, in fear they will be unbalancing, be out of place with the atmosphere of Morrowind, conflict with other mods, or break their game entirely.
This mod is one of those rare gems that somehow does none of those things.

If you enjoy this mod, I would highly recommend also trying Beyond YsGramor, an expansive faction/quest mod with new locations made by the same author.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2071276 - 12/20/03 06:25 AM

Hey nice review! now i know this mod!

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      #2071292 - 12/20/03 06:33 AM

I downloaded it yesterday and will use it with a new game, imo it sounds very interesting.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2071333 - 12/20/03 07:04 AM

Hmmm, so the old rascal finished it?

I can recall playtesting a very early version, because I wanted a dremer-home. Seems that Miles has expanded upon the plugin in a pretty big manner

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Miltiades]
      #2071736 - 12/20/03 11:46 AM

Thanks for recommending this. I just d/l'd it and look forward to playing it. (and voted excellent on Summit just for the heck of it)

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2072001 - 12/20/03 01:51 PM

Nice review, Zenogais.

Sounds really good. I might try it out today.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2072042 - 12/20/03 02:10 PM

Damn. All I have to say Zenogias, is that's one hell of a sales pitch!

-- check's in the mail

Yesterday I was worried to death after seeing the poor ratings. Figured I had over-looked something which was causing problems. I proudly suffer from OCD when it comes to cleanliness, and this small matter had me pulling my hair out. Glad to see it's running smoothly.

Thanks for taking the time in posting this review, Zenogias, and a big thanks to Tegger, and Miltiades, for their selfless testing and input.




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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2072152 - 12/20/03 02:46 PM

I'd love to see more reviews like this, posted by folks whose opinions we can trust like Zenogias. I don't pay any attention to the comments, such as they are, on the download sites themselves but I did see this one here and because of review downloaded the mod in question (although I don't know if I'll ever play it because I'm in 'modding' mode right now).

What would be even nicer is if a review like this one became part of a permanent sticky at the top of the forum. Then should we miss reviews due to absence we could reference that sticky, or point the newbs in that direction when they ask questions about which is the best mod, or where to get head packs or adventures, and so forth.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: maxpublic]
      #2073411 - 12/21/03 12:28 AM

Thanks. I found it a great, and clean, mod, and no-one else seemed to have noticed it so I planned to review it. That resolve was increased as soon as I saw that Miles had been trollvoted. Again. The same thing that happened with Beyond YsGramor.
It is saddening that Beyond YsGramor, despite being the largest, most detailed and cleanest faction mod ever produced went largely unnoticed, especially when some of that was due to troll voting. Now that Miles has released this new mod, it seems the same person is at it again, so I hoped my review might counter that before Sorefoot Enterprizes drifted away into Oblivion.

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Yesterday I was worried to death after seeing the poor ratings. Figured I had over-looked something which was causing problems. I proudly suffer from OCD when it comes to cleanliness, and this small matter had me pulling my hair out.



And also to fix that.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2073423 - 12/21/03 12:39 AM

And because of your mention here, I just downloaded Beyond YsGramor. :-)

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: maxpublic]
      #2073429 - 12/21/03 12:43 AM

Ah that's great, have fun.
It just seems terribly unfair that, due to some unknown assailant mass-voting:
1, Miles is tearing his hair out.
2, People miss out on great mods.

That ratings system has further reaching effects than people realize. They should do away with it altogether or at least refuse multiple votes from the same IP address.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2073493 - 12/21/03 01:27 AM

Quote:

Ah that's great, have fun.
It just seems terribly unfair that, due to some unknown assailant mass-voting:
1, Miles is tearing his hair out.
2, People miss out on great mods.

That ratings system has further reaching effects than people realize. They should do away with it altogether or at least refuse multiple votes from the same IP address.




Most Definitely Agreed! Totally!

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2073793 - 12/21/03 06:59 AM

Yes I agree this is definately a well thought out and executed mod, from the attention to detail with the placing of things, to the dialogue and even the lighting.

A mod to enjoy I think, a shame we have these small-minded jerks now and again who dont have the balls to openly state thier objection's if any, and I think sites restricting one vote per IP adress is a sensible idea.

Anyway good work Miles, now curious to see what other goodies you can create.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Sulik]
      #2073816 - 12/21/03 07:12 AM

Yea these sad little voters can have bad effects but luckily we have a good community

because of 1 pathetic little voter -I can't remember which mod site it was
but i saw CoN2 with a poor rating so i didn't get it but on here it's extremely high rated and i am now playin it and really enjoyin it.

Well done Zenogias I am going 2 d/l Sorefoot enterprises and Ysgramor

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: NuclearDope]
      #2073827 - 12/21/03 07:17 AM

Glad to see the situation is being remedied. ^_^ As you said, you didn't download CON because of poor ratings, but then came here and the high regard it was held in here lead to you changing your mind. Hopefully raising awareness about both Beyond Ysgramor and Sorefoot Enterprizes here will do the same thing.

It certainly happened with me upon my first discovery of Beyond YsGramor. I thought: Wow, this sounds great! But.. oh..these ratings, there must be something wrong with it. But I came here and asked, and learned that it had 14 poor ratings stuck on it on its first day of release, then nothing. So happily installed it and it was great. ^_^ So the forums are very helpful in this 'debunking dodgy ratings' regard. Hey if you don't believe me check out the thread here. ^_^

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2074027 - 12/21/03 09:13 AM

Restricting voting to one per IP wouldn't help, because many people on dial-up have IPs that change every time they log on.

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      #2074039 - 12/21/03 09:19 AM

I know, hence my suggesting it could be done away with altogether.
They probably wouldn't want to do get rid of it entirely though.. but I thought the IP limiting would still help, as though it wouldn't eliminate the problem, it would at least reduce it some..

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      #2074181 - 12/21/03 10:51 AM

Zenogias, tks for your deep review, hope You can consider doing that for other less known or even better known mods, as it is really a pleasure to read it, and i just going to download that 1 asp

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2074282 - 12/21/03 11:28 AM

Zenogias, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I managed to miss the release threads for this and YsGramor, and I will delightedly download them both this evening.

Miles, thank you for the thoughtful, well-informed help you gave me on my sound issue. Your advice led me in the right direction, and Jeannie now speaks! I am really looking forward to playing your mods. You, sir, are an extremely helpful and knowledgeable individual. It's ghastly that kind and brilliant modders are treated in so shabby a fashion. I really wish the ratings systems were removed from all the sites. The systems are so vulnerable to such wanton abuse (as has been demonstrated in these cases) that they are not only unhelpful, but actually detrimental. Hopefully the admins of the major sites will see this thread, and go back to what their sites are best at, distributing mods, rather than allowing rampant trollvoting.

I am personally fond of the system at Aldrien's Chalice. It's the one helpful rating system I've seen. They do allow user ratings, but the mods are also thoughtfully reviewed and rated by the literate, mature people who run the site. The reviews are the important part. Like the review which began this thread, they are detailed looks at the quality of the mods in question. I often send newbies their way for this very reason. If mod sites encouraged reviews rather than ratings, the trolls would vanish (or at least reveal themselves as trolls), and people could be guided by reviews a little more well-reasoned than "this mod suxx0rz".


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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Miles_Acraeus]
      #2074313 - 12/21/03 11:39 AM

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Damn. All I have to say Zenogias, is that's one hell of a sales pitch!

-- check's in the mail

Yesterday I was worried to death after seeing the poor ratings. Figured I had over-looked something which was causing problems. I proudly suffer from OCD when it comes to cleanliness, and this small matter had me pulling my hair out. Glad to see it's running smoothly.

Thanks for taking the time in posting this review, Zenogias, and a big thanks to Tegger, and Miltiades, for their selfless testing and input.







May i suggest 1 simple thing to do regarding Your mods?
Please upload them, not only to summit (Funny I never realized it had a vote system till today, lol), but to:
http://www.gamersroam.com/
http://www.mwsource.com/
and
http://www.euro-morrowind.com/

And btw, I uploaded it to Morrowind Portuguese community Webpage
Can be downloaded here:
http://www.morrowind.ixolo.com/downloads/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=141

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Gen_Lee]
      #2075893 - 12/21/03 09:47 PM

Beyond YsGramor is available on Unforgotten Realms also..and MWSource I think? But not sureabout Sorefoot Enterprizes yet.

Vorwoda: I really like Aldrien's Chalice and its system too, great site.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2076257 - 12/22/03 12:05 AM

Thanks for all the kind words and support, guys. I plan on releasing it at Unforgotten realms and MWSource as soon as I fix some annoying typos and a few "%PC___" errors. And as a few people have kindly pointed out, it's not "enterprizes" but "enterprises". I knew that...

Seems I had a case of cranial vapor-lock when renamimg the file, as my rough draft of the readme and beta were both spelled as "enterprises". Just a small matter, but i'm too anal to let it rest.

Again, thanks for all the support. And... If by chance you do have any gripes, comments or suggestions, please let me know. They will be received. All feedback helps me improve my modding skills, and in turn will produce more enjoyable mods.



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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Miles_Acraeus]
      #2076946 - 12/22/03 07:41 AM

So far just, just plain fun

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Gen_Lee]
      #2077137 - 12/22/03 09:50 AM

beyond YsGramor is one of my favourite mods ever. I'm really annoyed that some sad little idiot is constantly trollvoting Miles' mods.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: jimbob_11]
      #2077417 - 12/22/03 11:50 AM

On the topic of Beyond ysGramor, what is the situation with conflicts with Sea of Destiny? I loaded them both up the other day and got transported to SoD and then fell straight into the water, so there is obviously some kind of land conflict with the little island from Beyond ysGramor. If I load them in a different order will it work? Is there any way to solve this conflict?

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2078983 - 12/22/03 08:42 PM

Yes, uninstall SOD. Beyond YsGramor leaves SOD in the dust anyway. ^_^

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      #2084066 - 12/24/03 10:43 AM

And a bump!

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2084253 - 12/24/03 11:52 AM

The conflict with SOD was due to the fact that I had started Beyond YsGramor before I was made aware of clone's project. Sorry. I have TESFaith, and as soon as I figure out DOS line commands I'll remove the conflict.

So far no luck...

But, if you have to choose, let it be known that Beyond YsGramor is designed for higher level characters, and the higher your security and speachcraft, the better you'll fair with the quests. i'm not familiar with the quest requirements of SOD, but it may pay off to wait on Beyond YsGramor, play through SOD, unselect it from your data files, and revert back to an older save not dependent on it. Kind of a crappy solution, but that's the only advice I can give.



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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Miles_Acraeus]
      #2084391 - 12/24/03 12:39 PM

Been playing Beyond YsGramor as a result of this thread and it is truly superb

Has a great Tribunal feel, I'm quite a way on with the main quest and haven't found any bugs at all. Miles' attentions to detail is amazing.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: ]
      #2084466 - 12/24/03 12:58 PM

Quote:

Ah that's great, have fun.
It just seems terribly unfair that, due to some unknown assailant mass-voting:
1, Miles is tearing his hair out.
2, People miss out on great mods.


That ratings system has further reaching effects than people realize. They should do away with it altogether or at least refuse multiple votes from the same IP address.



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I have not been able to make any multiple ratings.
But I log in. I do not know if that makes a difference.
But to do away with it all together is not right.
Some plug in's out there are junk. It is nice to be able to see reviews.
It is fun writing reviews and seeing new plug ins.
When I put out Skeleton Island V2.10 . The feed Back system did not work.
So my only review is from my friend. Months later.
I do not want it to go back to that.
Rings of Roan got good and bad feed back.
You just have to stand up for yourself as miles did.
Remember we are all different people. We all like different things.
In our lives and in the plug ins we enjoy. To expect 0 poor ratings when you have over 500 down loads is not realistic.
Considering this mod would be a cheat for some with the extra travel.
I did not try the plug in but I saw it and the feed back.
There may have been more poor ratings then there should be.
And if all from the same person. That is sad.
But is not a good enough reason to do away with the system.
Please do not flame me and stuff. I am not taking sides.
I just like the feed back system and do not want to see it ruined because of one plug in.
Even the most downloaded mods have some poor ratings.
Nothing in the world works perfectly
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I did not rate or review this plug in.
I just did not like it when I read (They should do away with it altogether).
That is like cutting down an apple tree because one apple had a worm in it.
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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Soar182]
      #2084627 - 12/24/03 01:51 PM

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Some plug in's out there are junk. It is nice to be able to see reviews.




And some of the plugins are just fine, but the little boys giving the 'reviews' seem to get a malicious thrill out of saying the nastiest things they can about the mod. And some people trash the mod simply because they don't happen to care for it, not because the mod itself is bad. I read a review where the reviewer said a mod 'sucked' because it required Bloodmoon! What a moron!

In any event, many of the negative comments are just uncalled-for. There is 'constructive criticism', and there's 'being a twit', and the two are entirely unrelated.

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You just have to stand up for yourself as miles did.




Or you could a) do away with the votes and rely upon reviews, and b) at least pretend there's some sort of moderation system, where people who act like a-holes are banned. What these folks have to say, whether it be for Morrowind mods or anything else, is just useless noise, and will remain that way until they bother to grow up.

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Remember we are all different people. We all like different things.




This is something some of these reviewers don't seem to understand. If they don't like it, the mod is garbage, and that's that. They'd make good religious fanatics.

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But is not a good enough reason to do away with the system.




It's a good enough reason to *change* the system.

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Nothing in the world works perfectly




But this one could certainly be better. While I don't expect the Summit to change it's system, perhaps one of the other sites will see how broken it is and decide to 'one-up' them with something better. I'd love to see a 'review-only' system at my personal favorite, the Source.

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Re: Review: Sorefoot Enterprizes [Re: Miles_Acraeus]
      #2084708 - 12/24/03 02:13 PM

Thanks for the info Miles. I'm about to start a new game and it will be with SoD installed, once I'm a high level character and I've finished with SoD ill definetly change it for Beyond YsGramor.

By the way I clicked on Gen_Lee's link in his sig, which takes you to Morrowind Portugal, and they have a news article/review of Sorefoot Enterprises. I copyed what was written into a translator on the internet, and it translated some of the stuff. The main impression I think I got from the dodgy translation was that I think they liked it, have a look for yourselves.

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